Porzelt, Hoss, Keim, Schnappauf, Zipfel, Stadelman, Weizgert, Eichorn
Kestel, Gerber, Nothaas, Sikora, Shikora, Stadelmann Borglum Genealogy Family Tree

The red color follows my genealogy back through Margaret Hoss (my mother) and her direct maternal and paternal predecessors.
Here's her Porzelt genealogy story

The Hoss family tree follows through Margaret Hoss and her maternal and paternal predecessors in the table.

Generations occur from left to right by column


Hoss genealogy family tree, the little we know of it. Can you help?

If so, email me or you can contact Kate Werkman at Geni.com

( Some of the following Hoss info was provided by Jim Schembs, some of which conflicts with Hoss records,... but that's the way it goes! Jim's Hoss info was discovered online by Robert Hoss, who had Jim contact me)

Johannes Wendelin Hoss
b May 12, 1754
d May 4, 1835
lived in Laubenheim Germany occupation: "wine-grower" (grape grower and/or vintner??)

married

Regina Riedmann

then married

Maria Anna Neuner
b April 30 1786
d Apr 5, 1829
occupation: field laborer (in the family vineyard??)

Josef I. Hoss
b Jun 19, 1796 d Jan 20, 1860
occupation: barber (which might have included minor surgery)
Mother was Regina


married


Maria Magdalena Schembs b Jun 17, 1801 d Jun 23, 1857
occupation: field laborer. lived in Laubenheim Germany
(*see note below)

Peter Shulz reports there were also two children with Maria

Martha Hoss,
born 17.06.1822
married
Johannes Form (Farm, Farn?)

 

Peter Hoss,
born 17.11.1823 ,
occupation: field laborer married
Felicitas Steiger

 

Margaretha Hoss,
married on 16.01.1845 to Johann Farm, Dornheim

 

Catharina Hoss b Sep 29 1825
married on 08.02.1848
to Caspar Markloff b 1823

 
Sophia Hoss,
born 04.07.1824
married
Franciscus Walter b 1828
 

Adam Neuner**

married

Elisabeth NN

lived in Laubenheim Germany

Adam Hoss,
born 05.07.1830 (or 05.04?), occupation: hand laborer, then "markler" (professional clerk)
married
Anna Maria Hedderich
b Apr 25, 1837 ,
lived in Mainz, Germany ,
d Sep 23 1870

then he married Anna's sister Helene Hedderich (reportedly on Sept 23, 1870, the date of Anna's death)

Johann Hoss (mother Anna) b circa 1860
married
Katherina Dorr b 1856

continued below

Barbara Hoss ,
born 11.04.1840
married
Johannes Mueller

Jacob Hoss, born 12.12.1862 (illegitimate)

*There is much "Schembs, or Schombs," geneology info available at www.schembs.com, but you need a password to get in to the good stuff. You can contact Jim Schembs for a password .
Here is the connection from Jim:
"We share a common grandfather, Johann Peter Schembs, born 1769 in Undenheim and died 1839 in Laubenheim. On your side the lineage looks like this:
Joh. Peter Schembs *1769
Daughter Maria Magdalena Schembs *1801, marries Joseph Hoss I, *1796
Adam Hoss *1830
Johann Gregor Hoss *1860
Jacob Johann Hoss *1892
Margaret Hoss *1927
Margaret and I are 5th cousins. That makes you and me 5th cousins once removed."
-Jim Schembs

**Provided by Peter Schultz pswiesbaden at googlemail.com

------------------

Wendelinus also had a son Johann, (below), then my relation's generations follow to the right



Johann Gregor Hoss
b Jun 11, 1860
d Apr 24, 1896
(occupation: locksmith)

married

Katharina Dorr
b Apr1, 1856 ,
d Mar 15, 1925
(she did not remarry)

see also Geni.com

Fritz Hoss
b 1893
d1962, buried Mainz-Kastel

Werner Hoss
married
Trude

Albert Hoss
b Oct 29, 1880 d Mar 8, 1955
occupation: locksmith
married
Gertrude Dorr
b Mar 9, 1880, d Sep 23, 1960

Michael Hoss
b Apr 18, 1905
d May 10, 1980
occupation:locksmith married
Susanne Becker
b Mar 10, 1912
d May 29, 1951

then married
Gertrude

Albert Hoss
b Apr, 1930
occupation: electrician
married
Helene Marquardt
b May , 1936

 

reportedly one daughter with Gertrude

Robert Hoss
b Dec, 1956
married
Marion Heussner
b Sept, , 1955

 

Susanne Hoss
b Sept , 1963

Elizabeth Hoss
b Feb 17, 1886
d Nov 5, 1942
married
Sebastian Zerbe
(Magdalena's brother-in-law)
b Feb17,1886
d Nov 5, 1942

Lotte Zerbe reports that Elizabeth slashed her wrists in dispute w Sebastian over working for a political party

then Sebastian married
Elizabeth Merkamp b Dec 6-1902

then Sebastian married
Berta (Fischer) Joachem
b Mar 23, 1889





Otto Zerbe (by Elizabeth)
married
Rewete (?)

girl (died)

Joachim Zerbe
married
Sieglinda Morika

Claos Zerebe (Claus?)
married
Irene Langer
Albert Zerbe  

Jacob Johann Hoss citizenship
b Mar 29, 1892
d Feb 26, 1953

WWI photo in uniform
occupation: machinist then sausage maker,
article about Hoss German Sausage Shop history    ads
died
of heart attack after being sued by man who tripped on gas meter in sidewalk in front of his store,
4 months after the death of his son Ferdinand


married

Margarethe "Gerda" Porzelt (family tree below)
b May 13, 1888
d April 29, 1969

Family photo

Other family photo

their 1924 passport

Ferdinand Hoss
b Oct 8, 1919
Cologne-Muehlheim
1924 passport

1940 photo
as teen 1925
d Oct 29, 1952

Rochester NY
married announcement
marriage photo
Ruth Cockburn
with family
stylin'
in uniform

Michael Hoss (born 1953 to Ferdinand and Ruth, then after Ferdinand's death-by-drowning in a storm while duck hunting, was adopted by Larry Rossiter and name changed to Michael Rossiter ) Lawrence Rossiter obituary

stepsister Maureen Rossiter born to Ruth and Larry Rossiter (no Hoss genes)

 

Margaret Madeline Hoss
b May 24, 1927

d April 15, 2011
very young with mother and brother

her history
married
Carsten Borglum
b Mar 3, 1924
occupation farmer
then sausage maker
then silo salesman
then icecream store
then bookstore clerk
see Borglum family tree

Keith Borglum (me!)
Donna Borglum
Craig Borglum
Kurt Borglum
Ken Borglum
Chris Borglum

see Borglum family tree

see Borglum family tree

Maria Magdalena Hoss
b 1895 d 1971
(see story below and here)
married 1915
Gustav Wittke d 1925
of mustard gas poisoning

Margot Maria Magdalena married Wittke1915

Ricarda Anna Maria Wittke see also Geni.com
b 1938 d 2006
married

Rittner

Kate Rittner Werkman
see also Geni.com
Gerd Wittke1917
Helmut Wittke1918

Maria Hoss
married
Johann Zerbe

Michael Hoss
bApr 18, 1905
d May 10, 1980
married
Gertrude_____
then married
Susanne Becker

b Mar 10, 1912
d May 29 1951

Anneliese Hoss
married _____Kippert

Note: Emmi to the left was discovered in an obituary sent to me. The only link I could find was that she was survived by Anneliese Kippert.
Is she Anneliesa's sister?

click here for her obituary and photo

Emmi Hoss
bJuly 31, 1921
Mainz-Kastel
d April 8, 2002
Niedernhausen
married____ Wirth

Robert Hoss found the beginnings of our version of the Hoss family tree online and was able to add all Jacob's sibling information and the generations prior to Jacob. You can reach Robert at m.r.hoss at hotmail.de
Here's Robert Hoss's Excel spreadsheet on what he has found about Hoss Genealogy which includes more details, dates and professions
Here is Peter Schulz info he blended with mine, some of which conflicts with Kate Werkman's.

 


Porzelt genealogy family tree, the little we know of it. Can you help?
If so,
email me

Michael Porzelt
b Sept 6, 1795
Reitsch
d July 15, 1875
in Neukenroth

married

Gertraud Weiszert
b Jan 31, 1800
Neukenroth
d Nov 6, 1863
in Neukenroth

mother and father of Katherina or Catherina
(spelling conflicts found)

Katharina Porzelt
b Sept 16, 1825
d after 1876 (see Dominik's letter below)
Neukenroth
mother of 5 others including at least a daughter Doris
(why do subsequent generations then have Porzelt name? Did Katherina marry a Porzelt too, since her maiden name was Porzelt? or were all the children illegitimate thus taking the maternal name?)

married

Unknown husband;
According to the Feststellung der Arischen Abstammung
(see also p1 under Gunda) he is
Johann Eber from Bamburg and Glosberg,
whereabouts unknown

Father might also be Johann Schnappauf
b Jan 11 1888
d Jan 5 1970 a master shoemaker in Kronach

 

 

 

 

 

Georg Porzelt
b Jan 1 (or 22), 1849
in Neukenroth
(possibly illegitimate see Katharina notes)
d May 26, 1928
in Kronach
"George was a coal miner and WWI veteran (drafted at age 65)
He always kept a glass marble in his mouth to keep it from drying out, a habit he developed in the coal mines. My Greatgrandma also told me, that Georg sen. drank a lot of alcohol, because he had very intensive pain. Probably it was because he got Pneumoconiosis. (because of the coal dust)" He died of an infection from cutting his finger while slaughtering a goat. per Christiam Porzelt, see below.



married Nov 18, 1876

Barbara Agnes Eichorn
(see note below)
b Jan 26, 1852
in Stockheim
birth certificate

d Nov 9, 1918
in Welitsch
photo of Georg and Barbara when old

 

According to Dominik's letter below, there was another daughter named Katharia, b1866, of whom Dorthea is her daughter
see MyHeritage.com


Anna Porzelt lived in Welitsch near Pressig. Was a farmer
and festival mask maker.
married
Georg Keim

Horn Keim
died WWI
married?

other document says Anna had 5 children Judith, Barbel, Heinrich, Thomas. If you know, please advise

Hans Keim
Babbette Keim
Gustov Keim
Josef Keim

George Keim
married?

Anna Keim
Maria Keim
Gunda Keim
Lissy Keim

Katharina Porzelt
Feb 11, 1890
in Neukenroth. Worked as a cook, housekeeper and farm laborer in Kronach picking potatoes and putting up hay in order to buy a home in 1928.
d Feb 2, 1972 in Kronach
see MyHeritage listing
married
Josef Schnappauf
a shoemaker

Hans Schnappauf
married
Kathi Lumpe (?)

Monika Schnappauf
Paul Schnappauf

Paul Schnappauf
killed in war on the Russian front

see MyHeritage listing

Margarethe Porzelt
Margarethe with infant son Ferdinand
b May 13, 1888
d April 29, 1969
Webster NY USA
married
Jacob Johann Hoss
b Mar 29, 1892
Mainz-Kastel, a machinist in Regensburg until emigrating to the USA in 1924 where he founded the Hoss German Sausage Shop in Rochester NY.
d Feb 26, 1953
Rochester NY USA

(see webpage for more photos)

Ferdinand Hoss
As infant
Ferdinand age approx 6
in 1925
b Oct 8, 1919
Cologne-Muehlheim
d Oct 29, 1952 (by drowning
in a storm while duck hunting)
Rochester NY
married 1946 or so to
Ruth Cockburn

great picture of Ruth
Marriage photo

Michael Hoss (born 1953 to Ferdinand and Ruth, then after Ferdinand's death-by-drowning in a storm while duck hunting, was adopted by Larry Rossiter and name changed to Michael Rossiter )
(So Michael has Hoss blood but Larry & Ruth don't)
2 children Patrick and Colleen

Lawrence Rossiter Obituary

Maureen Rossiter stepsister
born to Ruth and Larry Rossiter

(so no Hoss blood)
maternal grandfather obituary (unrelated to Hoss)

Margaret Madaline Hoss (Marge)
b 1927 d 2011
Rochester NY
married
Carsten Borglum
b 1924 d2004
(see Borglum.com for more photos)


Keith Borglum see also Geni.com
Donna Borglum
Craig Borglum
Kurt Borglum
Ken Borglum
Chris Borglum
see
Borglum family tree for their childred and others

Agnes (Zipfel) Porzelt
b Sept 11, 1876 or Sept 11,1877 or Jan 26, 1877
(see letters below)
Neukenroth
d July 13, 1952
married Jan 1901
Andreas (Adam) Zipfel
b Oct 18, 1874
carpenter in Neukenroth
raised canaries

reportedly had 2 daughters and 4 sons

try MyHeritage.com

Josef Zipfel
b June 26, 1903
d July 17, 1985
married
Barbara Wachter
b Mar 10, 1903
d Jan 28, 1978

a girl ~1905 (Gunda?)

Fritz Zipfel ~1908 (maybe related per Christian Porzelt- died 7/21/43 in WWII Russia)

Ferdinand Zipfel ~1912

a girl ~1914 - (Marga?)

Johann (Hans) Porzelt
misplaced?
should this be Heinrich Zipfel instead?
b Nov 28, 1913 or 1917
also a train engineer
married in 1942 during WWII


see comments below from Dominik Lieb, great-grandson of Josef and Barbara, who provided the following compilation photo of Zipfel of Adam and Agnes and all their children

Paul Porzelt was a train engineer in Pressig, lived in Neukenroth
photo with wife?

(If this is his son, either they or this report is wrong)

(this listing looks right)

Paul died and his wife married Hans Rebahn in Neukenroth

Margarethe (Gretel) Porzelt
b Dec 23, 1907, d Jan 19, 1996


Trina Porzelt lived in Munich
b Sept 4, 1909, d July 12, 1992

Hans who married Josefine Zeuss
b Mar 13, 1916
all born in Neukenroth

Paulus (Paul) August Porzelt (son of Johann)
also a train engineer

b Sept 22, 1943 in Kronach
married Feb 25, 1965
Angela (Gela) Korb
b July 11, 1943
had 5 childred

see letter below from their grandson Christian
for more Porzelt family tree, see his website

Babbett Porzelt
married
Hans Stadelmann an engineer

Gunda Stadelmann
married
Max Nothaas a customs officer
photo of Max and Gunda 1994

Gerhard Nothaas (policeman) has daughter
Klemens Nothaas b 1960 has 2 sons
Roland Nothass

Maria Porzelt
married
__(?)___Martin

Georg Porzelt
b June 3, 1894
d Nov 18, 1933
who lost a leg in the war.
photo in WWI uniform

married Oct 28, 1916

Dorothea ______
b July 11, 1893
d Oct 19, 1965
with mother Katherina in 1930s
Dorothea obituary

Family photo with what appears to be Heinrich at 1 year old, so approximatley year 1930, which seems correct from the boy's (Georg's) uniform (see also his photo as a Nazi officer). Original photo says that seated woman is Katharina, (whom would be his aunt?), plus Georg, Gunda, Margarethe, Josef, Georg, Heinrich and Ferdinand

Max Porzelt
Oct 1, 1916 4:00AM
see support notation all siblings


 

Georg Porzelt
b Oct 15, 1917
in Kronach
d Nov 14, 1943
died as a Nazi officer,
in war in Russia
photo and obituary

 

Kunigunda "Gunde" Porzelt
b Jan 16, 1920 11:15PM
in Kronach
Adoption of Aryan Descent document see Wikipedia
married
Mattheus Schneider

Elizabeth Schneider
Judith Schneider
Barbel Schneider
Heinrich Schneider
Thomas Schneider married Monica Tersch

 

 

Josef Porzelt
May 17, 1922 2:15PM
in Kronach
married
Judith

Gertrude Porzelt

Michael Eichorn
b Feb 26, 1781
in Neukenroth
d April 10, 1852
in Stockheim

married

Margarethe FVG(?)
b Nov 17, 1788
in Stockheim
d Feb 7, 1838

Margaret (Marga?) Porzelt
bAug 19, 1926 5:30AM
in Kronach
married
Peter Jansen

 

Evi Jansen
Peter Jansen
Thea Jansen

Georg Kestel
b May 9, 1780
in Gundelsdorf
d Nov 11, 1842
in Reitsch

married


Catherina Gerber
b Aug 7, 1740
in Gifting
dOct 19, 1858
in Reitsch

Ferdinand Porzelt
b Oct 12, 1928 6:45AM
in Kronach

 

Peter Eichorn
b Sept 21, 1820
Stockheim


married


Margarethe Kestel
b March 2, 1825

Reitsch
mother of 7

 

Heinrich Porzelt
b Dec 1, 1931
11:45PM in Kronach
d of asthma April 26, 2007

married
Elisabeth Sikora (Shikora)
b Nov 1943 with a twin sister
of Gertrude (Wochnik) and Heinrick Sikora

(see letter from her below)

 

Thomas Porzelt, computer science student
b May 1985

Here's Margaret Hoss Borglum's Porzelt genealogy story

Here's some of the source documents I used. Not that it is a 5MB pdf file.

Here's more Porzelt info received in 2009 in reference to the above table. I love getting these letters; send more!

Dear Misters,

I'm French and I've began a genealogy of my uncle, born in Deutschland! I've see your web site for the family HOSS & BORGLUM, I see much informations about PORZELT Georg & EICHORN Agnès, that's what about I write to you!! (sorry my english, it's very crazy to talk whith a another language!!)

This is my information:

PORZELT Agnès : born 11 september 1876 in NEUKENROTH , dead 13 july 1952 in NEUKENROTH (city of STOCKHEIM : state of Bayern,goverment district of Oberfranken, landkreis of Kronach)
ZIPFEL Adam: born 18 october 1874 in GIFTING (city of WILHELMSTHAL : state of Bayern, goverment district of Oberfranken, landkreis of Kronach)
Marriage in January 1901 (no more informations of the date!) in the city of POSSECK (near Pressig http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressig )
One child : ZIPFEL Josef born 26 june 1903 in GIFTING, dead 17 july 1985 in KRONACH
About PORZELT Georg & EICHORN Agnès, I've no informations about city of born and dead, have you more informations?
Hoping that I could help you advance in your site.
I am at your disposal for further information or for documents that I have in my possession

Sincerely

HIRCQ Yann
5 rue Henri ROUSSEL
51300 ORCONTE
France
email : donkarnage51 at hotmail.com


More info:

from Christian Porzelt Sept 2009 and March 2010:

email him christianporzelt at hotmail.de ("at" = @ to fool spammers)

You have got many Pictures of the Family, some of them are very old and I didn't know about their existence.

I've only got 2 very small pictures of Paulus (Paul) Porzelt and his wife Agnes when they were old, from the early 40s.
I once had the photo of them that you have (with the two girls), but my Greatgrandma Fini tore it, because she thought they were
both not really good taken. From whom did you get this pictures, because I asked, but don't found some ?

But now I'm going to tell you some mistakes in your page:

About Georg Porzelt sen. you wrote:
"WWI veteran who lost a leg in the war. photo in WWI uniform"
The picture is not a picture of him, but of his son Georg junior, who lost a leg in the war. (webmaster's note: now corrected above)
(Actually it's hard to believe, that Georg senior was sent to war when he was 65 years old)
My Greatgrandma also told me, that Georg senior drank a lot of alcohol, because he had very intensive ache.
Probably it was because he got Pneumoconiosis. (because of the coal dust)

And you've got a picture of Katharina Porzelt with her daugther Doris, but you wrote, Katharina died in 1866.
The Photo was taken by a fotograph from Kronach, who started working about 1890.
So the picture does not show Katharina Porzelt. Maybe the picture shows Agnes Porzelt-Eichorn, the wife of Georg sen. with her daugther-in-law Dorothea. (the face looks very similar to the picture of Dorothea). Then the Photo was taken about 1917 after the marriage of Georg jun. with Dorothea, when Georg was in War.
(webmaster's note: now corrected above)


My Grandfather Paul has 5 children, 3 sons and 2 daugthers.

1. Porzelt, Matthias Markus Johannes * Kronach 1965,
oo Kronach 02.09.1999 with Heike Mahr
1 son: Maximilian Alexander Porzelt * Kronach .2004

2. Porzelt, Michael Paul * Kronach 1967,
oo Bamberg 09.06.2004 with Bärbel Düster
no children

3. Porzelt, Johannes Gerhard * Kronach 1969,
oo Kronach 12.09.2009 with Jana Fischer
1 son: Nikolas Dietzel Kronach * 2001 (Mother: Alexandra Dietzel (first wife))

4. Porzelt, Alexandra * Kronach 03.02.1972,
2 sons: Daniel Porzelt * Kronach 1993
Christian Eduard Porzelt * Kronach .1993 (Me) (Father: Bernd Fölsche * 1966 + 1993)

5. Porzelt, Andrea * Kronach .1972,
oo Kronach 05.08.1995 with Leander Bayer
no children

 


Lieber Borglumer,

Ich habe von der Genealogie der Familie Porzelt erfahren.

Ich stoß auf den Namen Porzelt Heinrich.
Ich stamme aus  Schlesien (heute Polen) bin am 11.11.1943 in Mechtal, Kreis Beuthen geboren  . (Bin 65 Jahre alt)(zusammen mit meiner Zwillingsschwester Teresa. Unsere Name lautet SCHIKORA In Polen wurde geschrieben SIKORA
Unsere Eltern waren Gertrud  geb .Wochnik  und Heinrich Schikora

Ich habe den Heinrich Porzelt ( geboren am *01.Dezember 1931 in Kronach*) am 25 .März 1983 in München geheiratet .
* Am 26. April 2007 *ist Heinrich auf Astma *gestorben.*

Unserer Sohn Thomas Porzelt ist zu Zeit 24 Jahre alt ,studiert Informatik an der Universität München.
Geboren wurde er am 18 .Mai 1985 in München

Liebe Grüße an Familie in Amerika

Elisabeth Porzelt
München
----------------

translated to English:
Dear Borglums:
I (Elizabeth Porzelt) found the Porzelt family web page on your website, and stumbled on the name Heinrich Porzelt. I’m originally from Schlesien Germany – now Poland- and was born –together with my twin sister Theresa- in Nov, 1943 in Mechtal Kreis Beuthen. Our maiden name is pronounced “Schikora” in Polish; and is written as Sikora. Our parents are Gertrud (maiden name) Wochnik and Heinrich Sikora.

I married Heinrich Porzelt on March 25, 1983 in Munich Germany (he is listed born Dec 1, 1931 on your genealogy page at http://www.borglum.com/hoss/ ). Heinrich died of asthma on April 26, 2007. Our son Thomas Porzelt was born in May of 1985, and is currently studying computer science at the University of Munich Germany.

Please give my love to our family in America.

Elisabeth Porzelt
Munich


 

The following is reprinted from emails received ( I LOVE getting emails like this, it's the best part of building this site):

Subject: Jakob Johann Hoss - Robert Hoss

From: m.r.hoss@hotmail.de

Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:26:01 +0200

Dear Keith,

My name is Robert Hoss, I'm 46 years old and live in Germany.

Surfing in the internet I found your notice about one of your ancestors. I can give you further informations about Jacob Hoss / the Hoss family in Germany, because Jacob Hoss was the brother of my great-grand father.

I would like to give you a feed back concerning the family picture.

From the right to the left:
Fritz Hoss (Hoß), Jakob's brother, moved in 1920 from Mainz to Cologne after he returned from his captivity as a prisoner of war in France during WW I. There he met his sister Maria. Jacob joined them there (when, is not clear). Fritz died in 1962 and is buried in our family grave in Mainz-Kastel.

Albert Hoss (brother and my grand-grandfather) is right in front of your ancestor Jacob Hoss (who emigrated to the US in early 1920 - that's what my family told me.

Who's the man next to Jacob, I'm not quite sure because due to the results of my investigations (approx. ten years ago) the father of Jacob, Johann Gregor Hoss, died 28.04.1896 (35 years old) in Mainz-Kostheim and his wife Katharina Hoss didn't marry again. So if this photograh was taken around 1920 - he was already dead. I know that there were 6 children (4 brothers and 2 sisters) therefore it's more realistic that the 4th man on the picture is the brother Michael Hoss.

One of the two sisters is Elisabeth Hoss ( Zerbe after marriage - this is the "Zerbe"-branch of our family and I can give you informations as well ). I'll try to get out more about the persons on the picture.

I have documents going back until the middle of the 18th century. Our family lived all the time in a close area ( near Mainz ). The origin is Mainz-Laubenheim. From there Johann Gregor Hoss moved to Mainz-Kostheim in the 2nd half of 19th century, got married and had his family.

Our families history is so exciting for me, therefore I today contacted all people I know to get clear about the "picture". What I knew was that I have seen this picture somewhere in the past and I recognized the discussions about who is who on this picture. Clear was who is your great-great-grandfather and who is mine. Today I visited my parents and my aunt to tell my story and get more information about the picture. My aunt told me that your mother visited us after World War II and your great-great-grandfather Jacob supported our family at that time by sending "care-packages" and more-over sponsored her Communion in the end of the 1940s (?) sending her shoes and a dress.

Tomorrow I'm going to meet a cousin (f) of my fathter to fix the "who is who" of the picture. Anyway, I'm happy to get a small kick to continue my investigations and I'm happy beeing able to support you. I hope my English is not too bad.

Awaiting your next mail with excitement

best regards

Robert


Subject:
RE: new question/relation Michael Hoss?
From:Marion Ruth HOSS <m.r.hoss@hotmail.de>
Date:Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:46:56 +0100
To:Keith Borglum

Dear Keith,

thanks a lot for your mail attached below. Regarding your questions related to the family picture on your webpage (http://www.borglum.com/hoss/images/jacobjohannhoss.html) :

The picture shows the brothers and sisters including your grandfather Jacob Hoss - consequently the title has to be corrected (probably the family tree aswell).

At the time the picture was take, 'JOHANN JACOB HOSS' the father of the six children already died. As far as got told from my relatives still alive, my grand-grand-father 'Albert' (brother of your grand-father 'Jacob') covered the role of father at that time. We can taken into account that this picture was shot to document the family before disintegration.

Regarding Carols answer I see now direct link to our family history (in case of your grandfathers brother 'Michael'. What I can imagine is that from emigration periods more past, that there is any link. We know that the 'Laubenheim-branch' of our family was much bigger than we know now. Moreover after the '30 Years War' in Europe over several periods especially from our region here in Germany people emigrated to America. Your grandfather Jacob participated in one of the last bigger streams due to the reason of big unemployment rate and without propects to the future. This is one part of our common history not only in terms of family.
Coming back to the question Carol addressed to you in origin, there is a chance that in periods more past than in case of Jacob someone of our ancestors from Laubenheim emigrated to the USA. But there are more places in Europe where 'Hoss' or 'Hohs' or 'Hosz' lived or decided to move somewhere else.

At the end of my e-mail, I would like to inform you that my father Albert died 27/02/2006. At that time I tried to contact Anneliese (Kippert) as well but without success. I will take your e-mail to pic up to get clear about here once again and inform you accordingly.

I do hope that my mail will help you. What about Marge ? Please let me know what's the matter with here.

Kind regards

Robert
m.r.hoss@hotmail.de


Hello relative from America,

my name is Dominik Lieb, I am 28 years old and do some family research. My
ancestry ine is as follwes. My great-grandparentsare Josef Zipfel and Barbara
Wachter. They are mentioned on your site. I want to say my thankfulness fro the
pictures of Georg Porzelt and his wife Agnes Eichhorn. I was searching so long
for them in Neukenroth (where they lived) and who guessed they are in America.

However some infos on your site are very questionable. Fist of all, Agnes
Porzelt, my Greatgreatgrandmother was born on 26.1.1877, not 1876.
Secondly Katharina Porzelt, mother of Georg Porzelt did not die in 1866. I have
a document of the marriage of Georg Porzelt and Agnes Eichhorn from 18.11.1876
and there is stated that Katharina Porzelt, unmarried mother of Georg, is alive
and lives in Neukenroth. When exactly she died i am still researching.

Concerning the pictures. You stated some picture with Katharina Porzelt and her
daughter Doris. You were uncertain who is shown on the picture. I can solve the
problem. It is neither the mother of Georg Porzelt nor is it Agnes Eichhorn. The
woman shown has also the name Katharina Porzelt, the young woman is Dorothea,
her daughter (1893-1965). There is also a small family photo, on which George
Porzelt (1894-1933) and Dorothehea are shown. You mention the old woman is
Katharina, the "paternal grandmother" who was born 1825 and would be over 100 years on this
picture (taken around 1930). It actually is the same Katharina Porzelt
(born 23.9.1866) from the picture with her daughter Doris. You cannot miss the
similarity. One shows a young Katharina, one an old. So it is actually the maternal grandmother of Heinrich.

I have one last question to you. Two daughters of Adam and Agnes Zipfel went to
America. Probably they are not alive anymore but their children should. Is there any database for that one
can find Immigrant from America to germany? I would
like to ask them if they also have some family pictures.

Lastly I want to give you a family picture of Adam Zipfel and Agnes Porzelt and
all their children. I am very proud of it and want to share as a thank you for
the wondeful pictures of George Porzelt and Agnes Eichhorn. So this are their
grandchildren.

Greetings and for all Ancestors of the family Zipfel, Porzelt Wachter and
Föhrweißer, please contact me if you have more family pictures

-Dominik Lieb dominik.lieb@yahoo.de


From Kate Werkman in 2014 , granddaughter of Maria Magdalena Hoss-Wittke:

Keith, I am so grateful for this. My Oma's life and history fell off the map for a very long time due to the family civil war, never mind the world wars which brought struggle and strife between. Plus I have spent the last few years researching the Rittner side of things for My Father's War. I could not have hoped for more, that someone wants to know, that there is a place to finally rest Magdalena's story. All this family - Wittke seems to run from themselves from family secrets or-that-which-shall-not-be-named. I have been the only one looking all my life. This has been my life's work since Magdalena 'Oma' planted the family history seed in her kitchen in Hamburg far away and long ago. In my mind it is like yesterday. Both a burden and a curse. A lot of baggage for a 10-year-old. Not that she intended it that way. And then she passed away the following months afterwards. Even my father's side has it's difficulties - she was also the first one to tell me about my father. When I flew back to Canada I went looking for him.  I met my father when I was 22. and was not raised with any siblings as they were mostly all in Germany. That is a story within this story for another time. 

If you read the letters at the bottom of the Hoss page you'll see that there is already conflicting info from others, like from Robert Hoss and Schembs.com. You'll see in those letters some other "errors" I need to address, if supported. What to leave out and what to leave in? I don't want to overwhelm people! Yet always feel it is important to tell the whole and real story. 

There are two Marias. (Maria) Magdalena and her sister Maria. This is very confusing and really perplexed me as well. The Hoss family sort of followed German tradition in naming after the grandmother - the youngest or oldest. Magdalena is the youngest born daughter and last born child in 1895 named for grandmother Schembs, Johann passed in 1896 - which is whom your ancestor is named for but goes by Jacob. According to the naming website at Ancestry.com it is the second name the child is known by. So Maria Magdalena is known as "Magdalena" and Maria is known as Maria. Two separate people, but very easy to mix up 100 years later. Therefore I believe that it is Maria that married into the Zerbe family, not Magdalena.

Here is what happened to Magdalena. In the photo she could still be Maria Magdalena Hoss, not yet Maria Magdalena Wittke, but it depends on the year of the photo. She married Gustav Wittke circa 1915 as their first child in Harburg - northern Germany (now amalgamated into Hamburg)  - to further confuse namings - Magdalena's daughter is named Margot Maria Magdalena Wittke. She was born in 1915. The style of dress in the photo is interesting as Magdalena is the only girl with long sleeves, and the boys are all in formal wear. I think this was taken at or after a funeral or such a family gathering. And here we have a defining thing - in historical research - as it is important to know the exact date of your Jacob leaving for the States. I would say the date of the photo is 1925, both Gustav Wittke and Katharina Hoss passed in early 1925. However, the only person wearing a wedding ring as far as I can see is Michael. Plus Jacob looks identical to his citizenship paper photo. If it is 1925 then Elisabeth or Maria should be married too? And they would of all had kids. Magdalena had three by then - Margot (1915), Gerd and Helmut (1917), (1918). Or the photo could be early 1914 (Magdalena is 19) (Jacob is 20) or 1915 (Magdalena 20-years-old) as war broke out in July and ended in 1918. Or yes later but unlikely. I have the Sterbeurkunde (death certificate) of Gustav Wittke I will send that shows her as his wife and that she was born Hoss - it shows on her passport that she was born a Hoss as well. However I big thing is that it states she was born in Hamburg. The passport was issued to her in 1966 when she came to Canada for a visit. When I went to see her in 1970, the year before she died in her oral history she said she was from Luxembourg. I now remember this as I found notes from when my uncle visited in 1992 and he states here she was born in Luxembourg. This makes sense from a religious view as Catholics in northern Germany are rare. Luxembourg is a French Roman Catholic country, Mainz has historical influence from this as well. Maybe she said around Luxembourg - And she spoke French and encouraged me to do so, so we practiced, in her kitchen in Hamburg when I was 10 starting with the days of the week and months of the year.  I recall she said that she moved North to work as a nanny as the family wanted someone who spoke French. the French took her away out of the area. OR she was the cousin from the North sent south to learn French.  It is not exact and does not match perfectly. I would have to apply/search for her birth certificate in all the above areas to clarify - as none was found upon her death.  I created a family tree on Geni.com. for the Hoss side of things so I could gain a sense of it all and see everyone, so have been playing around with this. Magdalena and Gustav had three children. She had her daughter at age 19. Magdalena never remarried after Gustav died in 1925.

Again I think Maria married the Zerbe brother. It is confusing, I know. I think much had to do with the ex-communication from the Catholic Church. Plus the wars. 

As for Magdalena, I think it is like coming home - like the movie Titanic - in the end when she goes back to the ship. I feel her siblings; family - that they are finally all together again. The ghosts are at rest.

-Kate
MyFathersWar at g mail dot com

 


Hoss site index info repeated for search engine without tables


Porzelt, Hoss, Keim, Schnappauf, Zipfel, Stadelman, Nothaas, Stadelmann Borglum Genealogy Family Tree
The red color follows the Borglum line back through Margaret Hoss (my mother) and her direct maternal predecessors.
The Hoss family tree follows through Margaret Hoss and her paternal predecessors in the table.
Generations occur from left to right by columnHoss genealogy family tree, the little we know of it. Can you help?
If so, email me
Wendelinus Hoss b 1755 d May 4, 1835 occupation: "wine-grower" (grape grower and/or vintner??) married Maria Anna Neuner b dApr 5, 1829 occupation: field laborer (in the family vineyard??) lived in Laubenheim Germany
Wendelinus' son
Josef I. Hoss b Jun 19, 1796 d Jan 20, 1860 occupation: barber (which might have included minor surgery) married Maria Magdalena Schembs b Jun 17, 1801 d Jun 23, 1857 occupation: field laborer. lived in Laubenheim Germany
(there is much "Schembs, or Schombs," geneology info available at www.schembs.com, but you need a password to get in to the good stuff. You can contact Jim Schembs for a password or more info at jimschembs@cox.net. Some of the following Hoss info was provided by Jim, some of which conflicts with Hoss records,... but that's the way it goes! Jim's Hoss info was discovered online by Robert Hoss, who had Jim contact me)
Josef's offspring:
Martha Hoss, born 17.06.1822
Johann Adam Hoss, born 01.07.1844 (illegal)

Peter Hoss, born 17.11.1823 , occupation: field laborer


Margaretha Hoss, married on 16.01.1845 to Johann Farm, Dornheim


Catharina Hoss, married on 08.02.1848 to Caspar Markloff
Johann Adam Hoss, born 10.12.1847 (illegal)

Sophia Hoss, born 04.07.1824


Adam Hoss, born 05.07.1830 (or 05.04?), occupation: hand laborer, then "markler" (professional clerk I think) , married Anna Maria Hedderick b Apr 25, 1837 d Sep 23 1870,
lived in Mainz, Germany ,
then he married Anna's sister Helene Hedderick (reportedly on Sept 23, 1870, the date of Anna's death)


Barbara Hoss ,born 11.04.1840
Jacob Hoss, born 12.12.1862 (illegal)


Wendelinus' son: son (Johann, below), then generations follow to the right
Johann Gregor Hoss b Jun 11, 1860 d Apr 24, 1896 (occupation: locksmith) married Katharina b Apr1, 1856 , d Mar 15, 1925 (she did not remarry)


Fritz Hoss b d1962, buried Mainz-Kastel
Werner Hoss married Trude

Albert Hoss b Oct 29, 1880 d Mar 8, 1955 occupation: locksmith married Gertrude Dorr b Mar 9, 1880, d Sep 23, 1960
Michael Hoss b Apr 18, 1905 d May 10, 1980 occupation:locksmith married Susanne Becker bMar 10, 1912 d May 29, 1951 then married Gertrude
Albert Hoss b Apr, 1930 occupation: electrician married Helene Marquardt b May , 1936

reportedly one daughter with Gertrude
Robert Hoss b Dec, 1956 married Marion Heussner b Sept, , 1955

Susanne Hoss b Sept , 1963
Elizabeth Hoss married Sebastian Zerbe (Magdalena's brother-in-law) b Feb17,1886 d Nov 5, 1942
other related Zerbes(?): Elizabeth (Merkamp) Zerbe b Dec 6-1902 Berta (Fischer) Zerbe b Mar 23, 1889
Herta Zerbe b Sept 3, 1913 Thomas Zerbe Otto Zerbe


Jakob Johann Hoss citizenship b Mar 29, 1892 d Feb 26, 1953 occupation: machinist then sausage maker married Margaret "Gerda" Porzelt (family tree below) b May 13, 1888 d April 29, 1969
Margaret Hoss b May 24, 1927 married Carsten Borglum b Mar 3, 1924
Keith Borglum (me!) Donna Borglum Craig Borglum Kurt Borglum Ken Borglum Chris Borglum
see Borglum family tree
Magdalena Hoss (name?) b d married Johann Zerbe (Elizabeth's husband's brother)


Michael Hoss b d
Anneliese Hoss married Kippert

Thanks and appreciation to Robert Hoss, who found the beginnings of our version of the Hoss family tree online, and was able to add all Jakob's sibling information and the generations prior to Jakob. You can reach Robert at robert.hoss@degussa.com.
Porzelt genealogy family tree, the little we know of it. Can you help?
Georg Porzelt b Jan 1, 1849 d May 26, 1928 married Barbara Agnes Eichorn b Jan 26, 1852 d Nov 9, 1918

Anna Porzelt married George Keim
Horn Keim married ?
Hans Keim Babbette Keim Gustov Keim Josef KeimGeorge Keim married ?
Anna Keim Maria Keim Gunda Keim Lissy Keim
Katharina Porzelt married Josef Schnappauf
Hans Schnappauf
Monika Schnappauf Paul Schnappauf Paul Schnappauf Margaret Porzelt b May 13, 1888 d April 29, 1969 married Jakob Johann Hoss b Mar 29, 1892 d Feb 26, 1953
Ferdinand Hoss married Ruth Cockburn
Michael Hoss (adopted and name changed to Rossiter after Ferdinand's death )
stepsister Maureen Rossiter
Margaret Hoss b 1927 married Carsten Borglum b 1924

Keith Borglum (webpage) Donna Borglum Craig Borglum Kurt Borglum Ken Borglum Chris Borglum
Agnes Porzelt married Zipfel

Paul Porzelt
Trina Porzelt Hans Porzelt Gretel PorzeltBabbett Porzelt married Hans Stadelmann
Gunda Stadelmann married Max Nothaas
Gerhard Nothaas (policeman)
Kle mens Not haas b 1960
Maria Porzelt married Martin

Georg Porzelt married Dorothea


Heinrich Porzelt
one son Gunda Porzelt married Mattheus Schneider
Elizabeth Schneider Judith Schneider Barbel Schneider Heinrich Schneider Thomas Schneider Ferdinand Porzelt

Margaret Porzelt married Peter Jansen
Evi Jansen Peter Jansen Thea Jansen Josef Porzelt married Judith
Gertrude Porzelt Georg Porzelt